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Nic Dafis

People who think “preferred pronouns” is a novel idea obviously don’t speak a language that has more than one second-person pronoun.

I’m not saying being “mis-formalised” is anything like the same as being mis-gendered, but it is something that Welsh speakers have to negotiate regularly, and it can be a bit fraught. A tutor I’d never met before visited my nightclass last week, and our “ti/chi” settings had to be calibrated when we made different choices.

As a second language speaker, I was taught to default to the more formal “chi” when speaking to a new person, and taking my lead from them. As I’ve got older, I’ve become more comfortable using the “ti” form on first meeting a person, unless they’re obviously of an older generation (a rapidly shrinking cohort, let’s be honest).

@nic I had this experience in German (my internet friends apparently found it very weird being Sie-ed) and now I get the joy of discovering it again in Welsh

@Jhynjhiruu It causes problems in software localisation as well. Some folk definitely prefer the singular/informal form, but the plural/formal covers all cases, and doesn’t cause as many mutations!

@nic I almost always use formal forms when translating unless I know exactly who the target is - though in my case it's moreso because I'm English and scared of being rude to a stranger than any grammar concerns!

@nic Teaching's same for us chi-wise & remains our opening default - but then was the same with French & German too. Was mulling this over yesterday, coincidentally. Walking down the street & thinking of how to ask a question of a newish neighbour who we've heard speaks Welsh.
p.s. We're doing our best not to shrink😉😂

@teamNotLeafy da iawn chi! Peidiwch â bod ofn, the only thing to ofni is ofn ei hunan!

@nic I used to switch between ti and chi with a previous line manager - ti if we were sat having lunch together, and chi if I was asking him to do/approve something. But still sometimes I felt like I'd used the wrong form.