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The potential role of a 3rd servers to mediate between Beehaw and Lemmy.world

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lemmy.worldThe potential role of a 3rd servers to mediate between Beehaw and Lemmy.world - Lemmy.worldAs this #RedditBlackout accelerates the Fediverse experiment, I feel the urge… the need… to chime in with my 2-cents. My summary of the current lay of the land: Beehaw saw a wave of pornography spam and decided to shut Lemmy.world off and Defederate from this server. I’m too new to this community to fully understand the wants/needs of each individual server, but I’ve been around the internet long enough to recognize that porn-spam is an age-old trolling technique and will occur again in the future. Especially as small, boutique, hobbyist servers pop up and online drama/rivalries increase, online harassment campaigns (like coordinated porn spam attacks) are simply an inevitability. Lemmy.world wants open registrations. Beehaw does not: Beehaw wants users to be verified before posting. This is normal: many old /r/subreddits would simply shadowban all 1-year old accounts and earlier… giving the illusion that everything is well for 5+ or 10+ year old accounts, but cut out on the vast majority of spam accounts with short lives. This works for Reddit where you have a huge number of long-lived accounts, but its still not a perfect technique: you can pay poor people in 3rd world countries to create accounts, post on them for a year, and the these now verified accounts can be paid for by spammers to invade various subreddits. I digress. My main point is that many subreddits, and now Lemmy-instances/communities, want a “trusted user”. Akin to the 1±year-old account on Reddit. Its not a perfect solution by any means, but accounts that have some “weight” to them, that have passed even a crude time-based selection process, are far easier to manage for small moderation teams. We don’t have the benefit of time however, so how do we quickly build trust on the Fediverse? It seems impossible to solve this problem on lemmy.world and Beehaw.org [http://Beehaw.org] alone. At least, not with our current toolset. A 3rd Server appears: ImNotAnAsshole.net [http://ImNotAnAsshole.net] -------------------------- But lets add the 3rd server, which I’ll hypothetically name “ImNotAnAsshole.net [http://ImNotAnAsshole.net]”, or INAA.net [http://INAA.net] for short. INAA.net [http://INAA.net] would be an instance that focuses on building a userbase that follows a large set of different instances recruiting needs. This has the following benefits. 1. Decentralization – Beehaw.org [http://Beehaw.org] is famously only run by 4 administrators on their spare time. They cannot verify hundreds of thousands of new users who appear due to #RedditBlackout. INAA.net [http://INAA.net] would allow another team to focus on the verification problem. 2. Access to both lemmy.world and Beehaw.org [http://Beehaw.org] with one login – As long as INAA.net [http://INAA.net] remains in the good graces of other servers (aka: assuming their user filtering model works), any user who registers on INAA.net [http://INAA.net] will be able to access both lemmy.world and Beehaw.org [http://Beehaw.org] with one login. 3. Custom Moderation tools – INAA.net [http://INAA.net] could add additional features independently of the core github.com/LemmyNet [http://github.com/LemmyNet] programming team and experiment. It is their own instance afterall. Because of #2, users would be encouraged to join INAA.net [http://INAA.net], especially if they want access to Beehaw.org [http://Beehaw.org]. Lemmy.world can remain how it is, low-moderation / less curated users and communities (which is a more appropriate staging grounds for #RedditBlackout refugees). Beehaw.org [http://Beehaw.org] works with the INAA.net [http://INAA.net] team on the proper rules for INAA.net [http://INAA.net] to federate with Beehaw.org [http://Beehaw.org] and everyone’s happy. Or is it? I am new to the Fediverse and have missed out on Mastodon.social drama. Hopefully older members of this community can chime in with where my logic has gone awry.
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Unlikely to occur. Beehaw's admins hate dissent and anyone questioning them. Well before the blackout, they literally had a "no sources" rule because users kept questioning the mods. Likewise their current "rule set" states what they say, goes, and that everything is up to them, not the rules. They say that with all cases (except obvious trolls), that they will always warn first. I have yet to ever see any kind of warning from any of their admins.

They were being questioned on sh.it and on lemmy.world, so they blocked both. You can check their modlog to see just how little spam they had to deal with.

You can also pop in to look at their discord to see how much they dislike the criticism.

Ted Ward

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I read the "essays" the beehive have to "join" and take part. In my view they wanted to make a space for their own community and choose a fediverse where they should have picked a closed off forum/discord/redditcopy.

Jun 15, 2023, 03:53 PM·Public
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