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@freemo You criticised me for being dishonest (or as you put it, expressing a dishonest idea) and I showed that this was hypocrisy because your idea that the NHS was a disaster was dishonest, which you then admitted it was, but persisted that I was wrong to contradict it. But I live in England and I have used the NHS as have most of my family, that's how I know it is not a disaster. How do you know it is?