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Just seen the best bit of commentary on transmisogyny I’ve seen in ages: if you want to know how a man treats cis women in private, look at how he treats trans women in public.

@goatsarah I don't see how this makes sense. It's perfectly possible for someone to be transphobic but have perfectly healthy and normal relationships with anyone who isn't trans. It seems quite the leep to say look how he mistreats trans people, he must, therefore, mistreat people who are not trans. 😕

@JustinMac84 and by the same token, it’s perfectly possible for someone saying what you just said to have a different definition of healthy and normal than the women in his life.

@goatsarah anything's possible, but the OP says "if this person does x, he must also do y". That's a generalisation that logic simply doesn't support. Given that transphobia and misoginy are different traits, there is nothing to say that a negative behaviour directed at one person for one cause would be directed at another for a different one. What I'm trying to say is that, if we both agree the things in my post are possible, it follows that the OP cannot be stated as fact.

@JustinMac84 @goatsarah Logically, let’s point out that since trans women are women, trans misogyny is necessarily a subtype of *general misogyny* the same way a square is a subtype of rectangle. Secondly, the mistreatment of both groups (cis and trans women) stem from the same underlying beliefs: bioessentialism, femininity as inferior, etc. and holding these beliefs always lead to the similar patterns of thoughts and behaviors.

@tina_snay @goatsarah I am working off the distinction the OP drew. If we acknowledge that there is a difference between sys people and trans people, we do or why the different terms, then there is the potential for the difference to exist in the ways they are treated. This isn't an "are trans women women" debate, this is a "can you say that a man mistreating a trans woman *would* mistreat a sys woman" debate.

Tina🍉

@JustinMac84 @goatsarah also some cis women look trans and some trans woman look cis. If such a cis-woman-respecting transmisogyst were to exist how would he even know for sure who to respect and who to abuse? And isn’t it inherently misogynistic to condition your respect for a woman based on some assessment of her appearance?

@tina_snay @goatsarah What? I feel like we got OT here. The OP was public mistreatment of a trans woman vs *presumed* mistreatment of sys women in his *private* life. So he would know whether they were sys or trans. I guess the bottom line is that I prefer not to jump to conclusions and make generalisations where there is doubt they might be accurate. I don't think "You suck in this one way so it stands to reason you're going to suck in others" is helpful.

@tina_snay @goatsarah Trans people are this. Homosexual people are that. Black people are this. Shouldn't generalisations be the province of the bigots we decry?