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@fkamiah17 @moonrabbit My husband visited China for a conference some years ago and really liked it. He said the people were lovely. Obviously there are human rights issues, but looking at the US right now, and even at the UK. Is China really so much worse that we should demonise them?
@Dewines @fkamiah17 exactly this. every imperialist nation is evil, but certainly on the world stage, china looks a lot less evil than some.
(and just in case: i am not excusing abuse or oppression, obviously. but like you say: those things are in no way exclusive to china.)
@Dewines @fkamiah17 @moonrabbit
My Mum would demonise China. She escaped the revolution.
I guess it is easy to create effective infrastructure then you have absolute control over the population.
Yes, other countries are also bad, but in slightly different ways, and with different (the same) goals.
@Maker_of_Things @Dewines @fkamiah17 i wonder how much things have changed there and deteriorated everywhere else since she escaped? it all seems to be levelling out to an equal tier of awful everywhere now 
@moonrabbit @Dewines @fkamiah17
That does seem to feel like a good and fair point, though I wouldn't say we are living in a really bad place right now, not yet.
It does feel like most of us know what is right, but we are fighting against a push to the wrong.
@Maker_of_Things @Dewines @fkamiah17
some people are though. for some people, it's really, really bad.
and even for the rest of us, those of us who live with the constant specters of homelessness and poverty while dealing with untreated chronic illness and a system that cares only how much it can make from you, it's not great.
the push is strong. very strong.