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You know I didn't expect a phone call at 6:00 AM about voting for #KamalaHarris & #TimWalz against #DonaldTrump & #JDVance to protect " #Democracy ", while they don't give a damn about people from #Palestine literally being sent to a fucking Holocaust by #Israel & possibly the entire #MiddleEast, which sends a message to #Harris / #Walz and the entire #DemocraticParty they can do whatever the fuck they want!

So no support for #ArmsEmbargoNow & #BDS or even not allowing #PalestinianLivesMatter.

#Liberals & #Democrats would rather literally blame voters who care about #Palestine, &/or of #Palestinian descent citizens, for making #KamalaHarris shitty poll numbers be so shit in the most easy #Election in #Election2024.

Yet I'm suppose to give her my vote to #KamalaHarris2024 instead of #JillStein & #ButchWare to build the #GreenParty who's literally advocating for an end of the #Genocide & #Imperialism when she and her #DemocraticParty is literally killing people & continue this shit?!

@Faithslayer202 Trump wants to ban Palestinians from America….

@Faithslayer202 @howards question:

How do you feel about #transrights ?

them.us/story/butch-ware-green

Also, Stein is going to lose, your vote would siphon votes away from someone who would potentially allow Palestinian refugees into the US. That someone isn't Trump.

Them. · Green Party VP Candidate Butch Ware Is Getting Heat for Anti-Trans CommentsBy James Factora

@elan @howards

Then I'll go to Claudia De la Cruz of the Party for #Socialism and #Liberation! Those are the only ones against #Genocide where as #KamalaHarris, who's a genocide enabler and allowed it under her party, and #DonaldTrump, who is a bumbling dumbass who says the quiet part out loud, are no different. #PSL

Video by @socialismforall: youtube.com/watch?v=sg-SJwO3XY

@Faithslayer202 @elan @howards @socialismforall

Claudia De la Cruz isn't going to become president. The reality is that either Harris or Trump will become president. Even if you're a socialist, if you don't want Trump to become president again, voting for Harris is literally the only option that will ensure that he doesn't.

@holden @Faithslayer202 @elan @socialismforall @howards

I don't know how many more times I'm going to have to say this today. JILL STEIN IS NOT GOING TO BECOME PRESIDENT! EITHER TRUMP OR HARRIS WILL BECOME PRESIDENT. HARRIS IS CLOSER TO THE LEFT THAN TRUMP, SO A HARRIS PRESIDENCY WILL BE BETTER FOR LEFTISTS, EVEN IF ONLY A LITTLE BIT.

@Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social @Faithslayer202@mastodon.social @elan@publicsquare.global @socialismforall@ioc.exchange @howards@mastodon.sdf.org I see there being more milleage from voting for Jill rather than the democrat because the democrats just keep getting worse. Your vote matters to a lot of people who aren't just in the US I've read recently. But you can vote for Kamala especially if it suits your interests. I haven't said who I'm gonna vote for if I vote.

@holden

Jill isn't going to do anything because she isn't going to become president. How can there be any millage for a candidate whom we already know is going to lose?

@Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social because if you vote for Kamala just because she isn't a republican then you are telling the democrats they can do whatever they want and get away with it. if enough people vote for Jill then maybe at least the democrats will feel intimidated.
Democrats are also the enemy.

@holden @Radical_EgoCom

I like how a self-proclaimed marxist, who has it on the front bio page, is literally proving to be anything but that.

@Faithslayer202 @holden

I haven't proven I'm not a Marxist. There's nothing in any Marxist literature that says, "If you pragmatically vote for a non-Marxist to give the Marxist movement in your country a tactical advantage, then you are no longer a Marxist." Marx, Engels, and Lenin all talk about how it's sometimes necessary to make tactical alliances with non-Marxists to give the Marxist movement an advantage. You'd know that if you read anything from them.

@Radical_EgoCom @Faithslayer202 @holden The issue is that Democrats know that this very debate is an effective sheep-dogging technique.

I get that alliances with liberals is necessary, but then what? Like seriously, what's the plan? And why does no-one every follow through on that part?

Or is the plan just to maintain a close race between liberal capitalists and crypto-fascists every four years? Cos I see a pattern emerging.

Just look at what happened to Cory Bush.

@ChrisWere @Radical_EgoCom @holden

The point of allying with liberals is them shutting us out of every space, continue capitalism and play the good cop / bad cop crap by not defeating #Republicans.

Because that's when people can go back to sleep like under #Obama, same with #Biden and what will happen when & if #Harris is elected.

Nothing will change with Harris is elected.

@Faithslayer202 @ChrisWere @holden

You're right. Nothing will change under Harris. Things will be exactly the same, more or less, but this would be more ideal than being under Trump, where things will change, but not in a positive way.

@Radical_EgoCom @Faithslayer202 @holden Obviously Harris is better than Trump, and all things considered, I actually quite like Harris.

The broader left (I don't care about the specific leftist groups just left unity) seemed to gain much more momentum under Trump than under Obama. Whether that'll happen again under another Trump? Tough to say.

My question always comes down to, "And then what?" because the bit after voting for the lesser of two evils never seems to come.

@ChrisWere @Faithslayer202 @holden

I did answer you. Here's my answer again, even though I already told you this:

"The plan is for Marxist to continue doing what we're currently doing now: educating people on Marxism and organizing people into Marxist organizations, which will be easier with Harris as president who is more to the left than Trump."

And here's a link to when I originally answered your question: mastodon.social/@Radical_EgoCo

Mastodon☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (@Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social)@ChrisWere@toot.wales @Faithslayer202 @holden@sharkey.world The plan is for Marxist to continue doing what we're currently doing now: educating people on Marxism and organizing people into Marxist organizations, which will be easier with Harris as president who is more to the left than Trump.

@Radical_EgoCom @Faithslayer202 @holden I don't see how that 'answer' assuages anyone's concerns other than your own.

You're not beating the "Marxists would rather win an argument online, rather than actually fight for systemic change" allegations.

@ChrisWere @Faithslayer202 @holden

You haven't proven these allegations, so the allegations are mute.

Chris Were ⁂🐧🌱☕

@Radical_EgoCom @Faithslayer202 @holden It's an expression, but never-mind.

Keep doing what you're doing, and I'm sure Marxists will continue to be a formidable force in US politics and not get shunted by AIpac money for standing against genocide.

@ChrisWere @Faithslayer202 @holden

I never said Marxist are "a formidable force in US politics," so I don't know where that came from.

@Radical_EgoCom @Faithslayer202 @holden You're not really saying much of anything to be fair. You waffle a bit and pretend that's an answer.

@Radical_EgoCom @Faithslayer202 @holden Dude, I think you're misunderstanding a fair bit here. It's just a turn of phrase.

@ChrisWere @Faithslayer202 @holden

You said that I "waffle a bit and pretend that's an answer." That's an accusation, and it requires proof.

@ChrisWere

That's not how proving a claim works. You provide evidence for your claim.

@Radical_EgoCom I was literally responding to your silly answer. Work it out from there. Grow up and stop being a debate-bro.

@ChrisWere

You're not a very good debater or conversationalist.

@Radical_EgoCom I've literally been trying to get away from this conversation for a while now. Take it easy.

@ChrisWere

If you want to get away from the conversation, then just get away from it. You aren't being held hostage here.